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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: IMVU adult Reply with quote

would it be a good idea to create an IMVU for adults (18+) so there's no need for GA/AP separation and all those issues?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a terrible idea in my opinion.

This would cost them more then they would gain.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XxMissSnowyxX wrote:
It would be a terrible idea in my opinion.

This would cost them more then they would gain.


Oh, I should have said, as a totally separate business, website and keep the current IMVU running.

So, have both.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. If the other site associated with imvu is completely adult imvu will lose backing from important family companies like Walmart target and 7/11 as well as valuable ad space on family sites and the ability to sell prpaid cards. Imvu wouldn't just loose hundreds but thousands or even worse millions. There are more adult users who remain ga anyway. I agree there is no point and too big of a risk for imvu to do this.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RinaFanel13 wrote:
No. If the other site associated with imvu is completely adult imvu will lose backing from important family companies like Walmart target and 7/11 as well as valuable ad space on family sites and the ability to sell prpaid cards. Imvu wouldn't just loose hundreds but thousands or even worse millions. There are more adult users who remain ga anyway. I agree there is no point and too big of a risk for imvu to do this.


Then they will perpetually struggle with GA / AP product issues and complaints... and to me, it seems more of a risk to have them all jumbled up together. really.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think from a business point of view.. the loss of revenue vs. the GA / AP war is of minimul concern.

I think IMVU would rather deal with people misrating products, instead of losing who knows how much money.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like vin's idea, it's just a shame that the arguments against it are purely money orientated.

Screw safety for kids, as long as the dollars keep rolling in huh ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhianna wrote:
I like vin's idea, it's just a shame that the arguments against it are purely money orientated.

Screw safety for kids, as long as the dollars keep rolling in huh ?


It's not only a money issue, there is a lot more to it. Just money makes the world go round.

Safety of the Children, have we forgotten that IMVU is on the net, and it's not their job to play babysitter to everyone's children? I would think that should be left to the parents. It's not IMVU's fault that children lie about their age, or that they borrow or steal their parent's credit card to buy services on IMVU.

Just like every other person has bills that need to be paid, IMVU is not exempt from their own bills. Such as paying staff, paying for server upkeep, etc etc. They need money to stay up and running.

Not to mention, you add a new server, what will it solve? Only thing it might solve might be a little less lag. You add a new server guess what happens. I'll take a shot in the dark on this one, have to hire more staff? Which in turn means things start costing more to the users. You have enough users on here who beg for things to be cheaper, when in my opinion IMVU is more than cheap enough.

I don't have any degree's in business, but I do know one thing about certain businesses.

1. Product won't sell if people don't know about it. You need to advertise, and if you can advertise on sites that are seen by your target audience, you have a better chance of getting your product seen. This can't happen if sites that are seen by your target audience won't do business with you if they don't like your product. IE family sites not hosting advertising for Adult web sites.

2. People have to be able to get your product. The more you limit how people can get your product, the less of a chance a business will survive. With IMVU, they have really if you think about it, only a few ways of effectively doing this. So IMVU does the next best thing, they make the IMVU prepaid cards for people who don't have access to the other methods. Like the advertising, they try to get there product into places seen by a LOT of people. Take Walmart for example; You will find prepaid cards for a LOT of different things, I am willing to put credits, that you will NEVER find prepaid cards for any Adult Sites that are like IMVU.

So yes, this might suggest that IMVU is a business bent on making money. I don't think IMVU ever announced that their site was a charity site. I could be wrong on this, but I think it is quite clear they are about making money.

On the other hand, being that IMVU is a business about making money, they can only do so much on their side to protect people, and keep their own interest intact.

People have time and time again tried going with the "Make Age Verification mandatory."

Why would IMVU even make something mandatory that wouldn't solve anything now? I know that I and several other users sound like a broken record, but just for a recap.

What Age Verification proves: That IMVU was shown a document about a person.

What Age Verification does not prove: That the person sending the document(s) is who the document(s) are about. That even if the document(s) were sent by the person, that they will even be using the account.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^

Not to mention what stops the kid from making a cheat account to get onto the AP server?

You know I was 13 and I managed to get into Red Light District. An ADULT site. I just had to use someone else's credit card (They were the adult and didn't believe there were any minors on red light so I had permission to show them just how easy it is for their 11 year old son to get on. I did it as a point and I sent the info to Red Light telling them their system sucks.)

And most Adult websites don't offer anymore verification then a "You verify that you are 18 (or 21) year of age to enter" and then click a yes or no button?

I was 9 when I saw my first *** site. Yeah I was always browsing the net. Funny thing is it was on a school computer. Hilarious.

It's because I did stupid things as a kid like this that I can tell anyone that kids are going to do it. I know for a fact that most children on IMVU or Gaia or where ever have probably already done or seen worse on the net.

So I say No. Not just because revenue but because it will really just solve nothing.

Yahoo made user rooms 18+ when I was 13. I lied to get into the chat rooms. Then they banned user rooms and made all rooms 18+ I still lied. In fact one account said I was 65...Yeah.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhianna wrote:
I like vin's idea, it's just a shame that the arguments against it are purely money orientated.

Screw safety for kids, as long as the dollars keep rolling in huh ?


Doesn't just come down to money two separate sites on a premiss of one being for adults only is unrealistic. There is not one single so called adult web site in the world that doesn't have minors on it claiming to be adults. It is impossible for any internet company to 100% verify all it's users are who they claim to be.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i don't know about creating a separate website for adults,but maybe making a downloadable client for Adults on the same web system they have just might be a little more accurate.Like example People that's not vip can not post in the vip forums same for ap.They could make another downloadable client for Adults so that way kids can't access them or download it.because i see imvu disable their downloads all the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like a nasty-ass adult imvu as much as the next person whose mortal flesh perpetually buuurns, but let's be real about this point too...
...They can't even get NORMAL imvu to run right at all.
You think they could handle 2 separate businesses when "let me go chat with people in a room and STAY THERE WITHOUT TALKING TO MYSELF LIKE A FREAKING MORON THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE ROOM DIED YET" is somehow a simple thing they can't deliver?

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Yah lol, but really, imvu's initial programming is sooo ancient. To create a new business in the year 2012 using that same engine? It'd be a disaster.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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well i don't know about creating a separate website for adults,but maybe making a downloadable client for Adults on the same web system they have just might be a little more accurate.Like example People that's not vip can not post in the vip forums same for ap.They could make another downloadable client for Adults so that way kids can't access them or download it.because i see imvu disable their downloads all the time.


Interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of the reasons I brought up this topic, is because I know someone and I am hearing reports of people whos accounts are getting suspended for months.... and even "shut down" because they had a slightly rude picture on their products (that they sell) (eg. the product was "gloves") or on their profile pic. So, it seems to me that things are getting a bit stupid.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me likes your idea vin.

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